One of the debates that been being in “crew” is not the same as being in a “gang" to me is the same because being in crew is being part of a group of people that claim to a sight and can't be around a surden place at a certain time. A lot of that’s another thing that is a issue in this community that people feel like they own a spot here in the world but they don't. To me this is a is a hard issue to identify because no one would really know who is in what or to what “crew” or “gang” they are part of a lot of people identify by the tattoos or hair cuts. One of the crews are Vicelord Nation is the second largest and one of the oldest street gangs in Chicago, Illinois. Their total membership is estimated to be between 30,000 and 35,000. They are also one of the founding members of the People Nation multi-gang alliance.The Vice Lords also known as ‘Almighty Vice Lord Nation’ is a gang founded in Illinois in the 1950s and is currently regarded as the second largest gang in Chicago with an estimated 30,000+ members.